#RichardArmitage – The truth is the truth

screen-shot-2016-10-10-at-12-21-15-pmDon’t know what he means that the truth is untruth-worthy. Also, please don’t call a young woman a girl.

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33 thoughts on “#RichardArmitage – The truth is the truth

  1. I kill anyone daring call me woman, lady or any other term… girl forever! 😄

    There is no more a “truth” because we can’t trust anyone anymore. Hence truth is dead. And what could seem true for you it’s not for me. Pirandello wrote many masterpieces on this topic. Così è, se vi pare proved truth is objective and doesn’t exist in itself…

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      • It’s sometimes – although not always – an American/English thing. ‘Girl’ for woman is used all the time by the Brits and we don’t see anything wrong with it. It’s a long-established habit of speech and doesn’t cause any offence. In fact, the older you get, the more you like being called a girl. I know that sometimes Americans don’t like it and I remember a very heated discussion on one forum some years ago when John Porter referred to a woman as a girl when he was comforting her. Was he being insulting/patronising or not? Many Americans thought yes, but the Brits said no. Like many words, it’s often to do with context and tone of voice.

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        • You may be an expert in British/Americanism, and I grant there are some situations, mostly among themselves, or in a line like, “you go girl.” where it’s Okay. And if grown British women, professional or otherwise, want to be referred to by men as children, and everything else that implies – including infantilizing, then good for you. And is it Okay to call a grown Black man in the UK a boy? same difference. The scene in question was when he referred to, was it Katie, as a brave girl.The whole tenor of the scene was that he was treating her like a child to comfort her. He was intentionally, and perhaps appropriately, infantilizing her.If you don’t see anything wrong with it, I just don’t get it. In this instance Armitage used the word to describe a character that a man his age was trying to seduce – so I have a problem with that.In addition, though I don’t know the age of the character, she was certainly a working young woman, taking some extreme risks.

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          • As I said, there was a big row about the Strike Back usage at the time and I understand why Americans can be offended because they don’t use it in the same way as the Brits do. But, RA means no offence as an Englishman with an English turn of phrase and usage and I take none. My father called me ‘girl’ for the first time as I approached middle-age and I was moved by the affection that he was implying. He certainly wasn’t infantilising me but was using the word to comfort me just like JP does in SB. It’s the tone and the context. Just begging to differ from the English POV but I understand why you think differently.

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            • I don’t think that comparing your father in this context is relevant. We are mostly all Daddy’s girl for all our lives – or theirs. I didn’t say he meant offense – but he was ignorant. I’ll bet you he never does it again.And i”m not disagreeing that context plays a part, as I said to Hari – I am talking about the context i which he used it – and the only thing can possibly excuse him is that he was talking about a fictional character.

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          • Not OK if he is trying to portray a baseball player. I have to admit I refer to my female friends as girlfriends, not women friends. When I saw the actress that portrayed the “working young woman”, I thought she was a “pretty girl” I can see your point where in some cases it would be demeaning, but it is natural to think “pretty girl” instead of “pretty working young woman”, It’s too long. though politically incorrect.

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            • I refer to my female friends as girlfriends, sometimes, also ( usually just as friends)- as in girlfriend trip, or girls’ night out- but this is different, IMO. Also, we’re still allowed to think the way we want – what we say, is something entirely different. I’ve done a little study on this, and it would be an insult to some terrific female athletes to say RA throws like a girl – but he throws like girl. (4 examples from film and TV – check out the flaming pine cone from AUJ, a scene in Hannibal and two others) But no worry, b/c if he has to play catch or play a ballplayer for a role, he can learn. (There’s ascne in Robin Hood, too)

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              • I didn’t know he really did “throw like a girl”. I will check out the examples you gave. I never noticed. Perhaps my eyes were directed elsewhere. 🙂

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              • I’m sure if he had to, he could learn to throw. Fortunately, he’s too old now to play an athlete anyway. And he seems to have good hand/eye coordination. Most of the time. ( There was that arrow shot in Robin Hood – but we saw him do much better in Hobbit BTS shots in bootcamp.) Actually, one of my favorite photos of him, or screenshots – him lining up his archery shot.

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  2. Gawd. Neither of them should be talking about politics. It sounded to me like she was covertly defending the Russian hack of the DNC (not that that surprises me for one second — her notion of true democracy overlaps in troubling ways with the lack of public/private split in totalitarianism). I think I get what he’s trying to say about “truth,” but ick, and yeah, the fact that formerly authoritative sources are no longer seen as trustworthy does not mean that “truth” is untrustworthy. You don’t trust or not trust “truth.” Things that are true are true no matter how I feel about them or the person who’s telling me them.

    And I can’t believe that he’s lived in NYC four years and no one’s rapped him upside the head for using “girl” in that way. Blerg.

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  3. Oh, i saw it as though she didn’t believe the US that Russians definitively hacked. Hmmm. I suppose that there are all sorts of interesting topics, philosophical, religious, etc., about what is truth – but I’m not approaching it that way. And, I also don’t think that the truth will necessarily set you free in every case.
    Yeah ” girl.” I don’t have the knowledge to know whether JayDee is correct – but if so, I am kinda amazed. I can just imagine Harry Pearce calling Roz Meyers a girl. Better duck or protect his balls.

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    • it’s a piece of an argument that is widely believed on the US Left. Russia didn’t hack the DNC, wikileaks is an independent actor, Julian Assange has no agenda, Bernie Sanders’ primary results were rigged by the DNC, and it’s a social good that we know absolutely what everyone is thinking all the time, because everyone’s private opinions should square with their public actions at all times. Frightening, IMO, because it does legitimate the interference of foreign governments in our politics, but also for other reasons. These people don’t see that they are essentially legitimating the very position they question — that the government has the right to know all of our secrets.

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    • re: “truth shall make you free” — it’s another piece of Christian Gospel that is widely misapplied to mean things it never meant in context. It was never supposed to mean “you’ll feel better if you unburden yourself,” for instance.

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      • There was a hint of this earlier — when two different versions of a hacked mail showed up — but it stayed under the radar. I saw one report linked on FB, I’d have to dig for it now.

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      • Honestly, I feel like my political head is spinning. The GOP is defending warm relations with Russia along with the hard US Left, whereas the peaceniks in the traditional US Left are now all sounding like Cold Warriors from 1982. Dizzying.

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  4. I didn’t clock the ‘girl’ thing but i would say round here it’s context. Depending on who addresses me and where i am either ‘madam’ , ‘love’ or ‘girl’. The first is poncy and i always turn around to check if my mum is behind me 🙂 The second i get called by my greengrocer and my butcher or my local cafe and the Caribbean trader i buy my craft things from smiles broadly and welcoming and calls me ‘girl’ because we’re on a first name basis. My American colleague calls me ‘girl’ jokingly sometimes too. I call him stuff too. When we talk around the office about people we haven’t met yet ie when names are not a clear indications it’s are they a man/woman? It’s about context and mainly level of familiarly. My friends and i call each other girls, not women, because of the familiarity. Unknown females are women.

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